Eviction threat

[onomatopoeia]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4595788.stm



People could be banned from their own homes for three months for being nuisance neighbours under Tony Blair's latest "respect agenda" proposals.


This seems all wrong to me. If it's my home, not rented, council, housing association or whatever then it should not be possible to evict me. If I'm breaking the law then try me and put me in prison.

Some people might consider me a "nuisance neighbour" as I have dead and half dead cars littering the grounds and street. So what?

[Nick]

Some people might consider me a "nuisance neighbour" as I have dead and half dead cars littering the grounds and street. So what?

I misread cars as cats.

Changes everything

[oldboy2000]

I misread cars as cats.

Changes everything


:rofl :cat :cat :cat :cat

[onomatopoeia]

My cat is alive and well :p

[Nick]

There will probably be some laws regarding the state in which you leave your garden (if others can see it). Although the penalty for abusing these laws would be a fine rather than an eviction I would have thought.

[onomatopoeia]

Even that would be ridiculous. It's not anyones business but mine if I cut my grass and do my weeding as long as it doesn't overgrow next door. We're not all Alan Titchmarsh :(

[Nick]

If it's my home, not rented, council, housing association or whatever then it should not be possible to evict me.

from your source

Fines for owner-occupiers and others not on housing benefit who persist with anti-social behaviour are also being considered.

seems they are only evicting those who don't own the house

[onomatopoeia]

I took

Ministers are now consulting on extending the idea so anyone accused of "persistent and serious" anti-social behaviour can be evicted from their homes for three months.

To include all people including owner-occupiers. It sounded that way listening to the Home Secretary on Today the other morning, although I was somewhat addled by sleep at that point, it being only 8.20am or so!

[morris]

I think someone was banned from their own home in Fife somewhere. The problem was the father worked away from home and left his late teens early twenties son in the house causing a continous amount of trouble for the neighbours so the house was declared off limits to them both.

[shano]

Like much of Tony's new plans there is no need for this as a 'new law'

There are already legal options and laws to allow this to be effected upon ANY house occupant as teh law currently stands.

This whole idea he has, on all counts, is doubling up legal procedure...

[morris]

Compulsory purchase springs to mind.

[shano]

injunctions are available for any type of conduct that is threatening, harrassing etc....banning from a street/location means the occupant cannot go near home...

and there are more laws that would affect teh same...

[Gina]

More unnecessary legislation :(

[Jill]

Shano's right in that there are already many remedies that can be used to deal with these problems. But in one of the examples they mention, that of annoying neighbours with loud music, it may give back the right to people who simply can't find a remedy in any other way. Being kept awake by a loud heavy bass beat night after night is very debilitating. I'm not talking about kids who just want to hear their music, I mean persistant, floor-board shaking music. If there is an ultimate deterrant against someone doing this persistently, then it might make them think more than twice.

One of my neighbours makes life very uncomfortable for those of us that live near him. I won't go into detail about what happens, but there are a host of things he, his family and his visitors do that drive us up the wall. He couldn't care less about his neighbours. Perhaps the new measures would combine together the things he does and decide it's time for him to move elsewhere. There are many of us around here that would be delighted if that were the case!

[shano]

There are laws for such things too , but, you are correct...the current laws are a very long process for such nuisances, perhaps new laws which were specific would mean fast and effective measures could be taken

[martin]

the current laws are a very long process for such nuisances, perhaps new laws which were specific would mean fast and effective measures could be taken

That IMO is the PRIME motivation for this initiative.

Bit by bit the law is beginning to be slanted in the favour or those who "suffer" at the hands of bad neighbours and enble then to a swift respite instead of months and months of drawn out legalities whilst the suffering continues.

That is IMO as it should be, provided that the basic rights of the perpetrators are upheld. With this measure they will be IMO as its the end of a lonnnnnnng line of threatening letters etc....it is the LAST RESORT.

Any decent person would have responded to the string of letters.

If they havent then they know the consequences now.

Period.

On the matter of your cars Ono - I certainly wouldnt like them next to me - a car you're working on for a few weeks sure.........but several that just like there for months rusting away - no way man. I'd complain. I know technically its YOUR property but others See it from theres.......thats exactly why some extensions are refused - as they would infringe on others views etc.

[shano]

I had this problem with cars, it was regular for us to have roughly 4 at a time - and a trailer.

Every single residents meeting our cars were brought up by the woman who is now our local [area] councillor and her sidekick. I wasn't at the meetings, but id always hear about it later.

Eventually, i felt they had a point tbh, moreso regarding the trailer...the cars no, cos their ideology was 4 can't be driven at once so its unecessary, in THEIR opinion, lol...

But get this...first time this pair need a trailer and a loan of baby equipment - who do they come to??:lol :lol :lol

I found smiling and saying 'no problem, help yourself' more satisfying that a big fat F.O ;)

[Jill]

:rofl it gives you a warm feeling inside when that happens eh?

A car that was being worked on as a project (therefore likely to be carefully secured under a tarpaulin or some such) wouldn't bother me. But I wouldn't be so happy if the cars were rusting away. However, I probably wouldn't do anything about it and that's mainly because the issues we have already are a lot worse.

If the purpose of the new laws are to speed things up, then I'm all in favour. Problem is, when someone is evicted, where do they go? Generally they'll be moved elsewhere and won't change - it's moving the problem on and not stopping it. Having said that, I don't know what the answer is - I wish someone could find one though! We had a difficult neighbour nearby a couple of years ago - finally she was moved (yes, pushed rather than going of her own accord) - the next neighbour to live in the house is exactly the same :mad:

[shano]

It does that Jill ;)

We too, have bigger issues Jill, mainly violence and drug use/pushing in our estate...

Problem is, when someone is evicted, where do they go? Generally they'll be moved elsewhere and won't change - it's moving the problem on and not stopping it

This is the thing, our council has an eviction and no homing policy for antisocial behaviour and drug abuse...yet, we get everyone from further north of england homed here because THEIR councils have the same policy!
All it serves to do is increase the local criminal circuit and its links...

The locals that are evicted are put in hostels/refuges and because they tend to have kids they then become priority for rehoming so the council is obliged to put them back into another house...so the vulnerability issue re minors make this a very sticky issue?

What do you do

Ahum, i probably shouldnt post this, but in my little bit of the estate, since the police are entirely innefective and it tends to be the elderly that take the buck of the abuse/violence and well we dont want kids prey to drugs. The cure goes a bit like this....I get the job of dealing with them, they dont comply behave stop there ****, they most certainly leave of their own accord by the time im done...hah, a tough life has its benefits later when dealing with those that dont care about the law... Problem being, i dont like having to go running round bringing crim's into line and stamping on them if they dont stop, but it seems our elderly population think its okay cos they encorouge it...:lol

[Jill]

You're definitely someone I could do with round here! :smokin

Yes, our problems sound very similar to yours. I have no idea how you manage to sort these things out, but please, if you have any top tips, pm me! :)

[martin]

Shano IS the Terminator :lol :yikes: :)

[shano]

Aye it does go a bit like that round here ski, but does the terminator wear shoes - its when they see me coming in my bare feet round here they know the game is up. :lol I never waste the time putting shoes on hee hee

I will pm you later when i get some time Jill. A lot of the events/cures where actually in threads, so i will see if i can find them first, [save typing;) ] but if they were lost on the last clear out, ill explain some...